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Perlhammered
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(Reply to #3601)

Wintage Townie wrote:
jamesacklin wrote:
Naaaahhhh dude it's so you can singlespeed it bra

Yeah, it's 100% designed for the 1% of Wolverine buyers who will run it singlespeed or with an IGH. They even put belt drive compatibility in there, so the 0.0001% of those weirdos are happy.

Also, Surly didn't popularize sliding dropouts. I don't think that they've ever used them, in fact. I am certain that's a huge markup in the Maxway factory, so Surly finds even less elegant kludges.

How is this possibly enough purchase for that QR?

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 10:47
jimmythefly
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re: swapping wheel sizes.

The same reason you don't need adjustable fork tips is the reason you don't need adjustable rear derpouts.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 11:04
jamesacklin
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What about the Tachyon though

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 11:05
jimmythefly
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Not sure if serious.

I mean, yeah adjustable derpouts front and rear. But not for different wheel sizes, for handling. You can put 584 wheels on them the rim brakes limit how much wheel swapping can be done (and was not mentioned in marketing of the time). Same for some of the MTBs that came with the 2x4 or 3D fork -those had vertical rear dropouts and the adjustable fork rake was for handling reasons.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 12:34
ergott
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(Reply to #3605)

Rusty Piton wrote:
I am the 1%

SSers that can’t make up their mind and just get bikes intended for SS only are their own worst enemy. These do all rear ends are ruining it for the rest of us.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 12:39
jamesacklin
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I was mostly kidding, no dropouts should slide or wiggle

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 14:13
ckd
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(Reply to #3607)

ergott wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
I am the 1%

SSers that can’t make up their mind and just get bikes intended for SS only are their own worst enemy. These do all rear ends are ruining it for the rest of us.

Your mom has a do all rear end.

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Wed, 10/04/2017 - 14:14
Andrew_Squirrel
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Wolverine is the new day-ruiner

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 14:21
jamesacklin
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Wolverine frame belongs in the "parts that exist but you wish didn't" thread

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 14:23
Andrew_Squirrel
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Maybe just the rear dropouts, the frame doesn't seem bad otherwise.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 14:31
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #3611)

ergott wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
I am the 1%

SSers that can’t make up their mind and just get bikes intended for SS only are their own worst enemy. These do all rear ends are ruining it for the rest of us.

What readily available SS frame that ticks all the boxes of the Wolverine are you referring to?
Would an eccentric BB be a better option for us SS 1%ers? Probably. At least the stays wouldn't break.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 15:46
DaFROG
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i'm not gonna argue the merits of sliding derpouts one way or the other*
fact is it would have been fairly simple to either design the derpouts better in the first place (move the CS attachment as far back as possible, to reduce the cantilever and smoothly radius/beef up/plug/lug/socket the CS attachment to address the failure location. And use thicker wall CS if such a thing is available (and possibly remove or re-think the belt drive compatibility).
Soma's chosen solution is some flat bar hastily welded on, i get that they may have a bunch of frames already building, but c'mon. The derpout is still the same and will likely keep failing at the super sharp super stress concentrating transition from the CS attachment to the derpout.

Not sure why i feel so strongly about this, guess i'm just miffed they rejected my offer of redesigning the derpouts for a sixpack :P

*for reference i'm an engineer AND i have an IGH, my opinion on all things bike design related is therefore highly suspect

We have assembled an international voltron of geometry, marketing and metallurgy experts working around the clock and have determined that your bike sucks

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 17:21
ergott
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If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 18:10
ergott
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I admit more companies should have a bike dedicated to SS. Only need one model and you can make it cheaper anyway.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 18:12
NOVELTYNAME
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That BD bike is basically what I wanted in 2009

"Folks want options!"

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 18:36
jeffro
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I don't mind the sliders on my P29er, biggest criticism is weight, I guess. Totally thought I'd SS it when I bought it, too. Never have. Still have dedicated 26" SS with slots.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 19:40
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #3617)

This thing is aluminum and not wet brake compatible.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 22:22
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #3618)

DaFROG wrote:
fact is it would have been fairly simple to either design the derpouts better in the first place (move the CS attachment as far back as possible, to reduce the cantilever and smoothly radius/beef up/plug/lug/socket the CS attachment to address the failure location. And use thicker wall CS if such a thing is available (and possibly remove or re-think the belt drive compatibility).
Soma's chosen solution is some flat bar hastily welded on, i get that they may have a bunch of frames already building, but c'mon. The derpout is still the same and will likely keep failing at the super sharp super stress concentrating transition from the CS attachment to the derpout.

Not sure why i feel so strongly about this, guess i'm just miffed they rejected my offer of redesigning the derpouts for a sixpack :P

you're acting as if they're capable of design, or even implementing someone else's design

their actual available actions are to vaguely point at whatever new knockoffs have appeared in this year's Tange catalog and grunt expectantly

they don't ever do their own QC, or even build up a frame at the LBS they own until a customer orders one

Evan Bacon would claim that he couldn't afford any of the bikes he "designed"

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Wed, 10/04/2017 - 22:24
ckd
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That reminds me!

I saw one of them plastic Ritchey Breakaways at a shop last week, and I was surprised to see that it wasn’t compatible with hydraulic discs.

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Wed, 10/04/2017 - 22:26
Shortpants
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Spoke with the soma dudes today, it's specifically so they can belt drive the frame.

EDIT: 'it' being the sliding dropouts.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 22:54
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #3621)

ckd wrote:
That reminds me!

I saw one of them plastic Ritchey Breakaways at a shop last week, and I was surprised to see that it wasn’t compatible with hydraulic discs.

Travel bikes are for mechanical dicks

"Folks want options!"

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 23:35
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #3622)

Shortpants wrote:
Spoke with the soma dudes today, it's specifically so they can belt drive the frame.

EDIT: 'it' being the sliding dropouts.

Yeah, we figured that was why but it's still a stupid reason.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 23:58
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I assumed that was obvious, since there's no other reason to put a split in the drive-side stays.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 00:02
Shortpants
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It's soma. You can't be sure of the reasoning because there may not actually be any.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 01:01
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #3625)

Shortpants wrote:
It's soma. You can't be sure of the reasoning because there may not actually be any.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 02:50
ergott
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(Reply to #3626)

Rusty Piton wrote:

This thing is aluminum and not wet brake compatible.

You mean the cable stops? Easy mod. Can't help with the aversion to aluminium, but that was just a 10 second google search. Might be others there on euro sites. Kinesis?

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 08:21
Rusty Piton
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I obviously can't speak from anyone's experience but my own, but the Wolverine has been a really fun versatile commuter for me. I've got 6,701.8 mi on it as of this morning's commute and it seems to be going strong. I've run it geared, SS and now IGH with with drops and alt bars. Mine is the only one I've seen with the split at the dropout itself instead of in the middle of the chainstay, so I don't know if that has something to do with it not breaking yet.
Untitled by rudyluciani, on Flickr

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 12:01
kmcdon
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AAAAAAA YOUR LOCKBOLT ISNT LOCKED

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 12:18
joy of vaping
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spotted on the street

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 14:34
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #3630)

kmcdon wrote:
AAAAAAA YOUR LOCKBOLT ISNT LOCKED

???

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 16:26
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #3631)

Rusty Piton wrote:
kmcdon wrote:
AAAAAAA YOUR LOCKBOLT ISNT LOCKED

???

the nuts on the chain tensioner bolts aren't snugged against the dropouts

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 16:35
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #3632)

Rusty Piton wrote:
Mine is the only one I've seen with the split at the dropout itself

that's the Version 1 design

some combo of Rohloff and Gates told them to fuck off telling people that it was actually belt-compatible, so they started over with the standard seatstay splitter for v2.0, and those are the ones where the chainstays fall off

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 16:39
Rusty Piton
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I've never tried to separate the split and have no intention of doing so.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 17:25
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #3634)

joy of vaping wrote:
spotted on the street

track geometry

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 19:08
Endpoint
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If Transition/Traitor can afford to do it I don't see why Surly can't. They're just militantly ignorant.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 21:04
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #3636)

Endpoint wrote:
If Transition/Traitor can afford to do it I don't see why Surly can't. They're just militantly ignorant.

Nah, they just cheap. Someone has to make money on Surly, because it sure ain't the dealers.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 21:26
ergott
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On the topic of dropouts. This looks pretty good. Singlespeed or geared.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Mon, 10/09/2017 - 10:10
Tail Hook Lengthener
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It's too bad I don't care about SS anymore, because that new Trek dropout looks sweet.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 10/09/2017 - 18:23

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