Framebuildin' part 3

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bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #4301)

sparksflyhigh wrote:
Haven't had any problems yet. I am using a torch tip with the oxy-propane that's sized for main triangle joints, so there is probably a lot of heat going in there.

"yet" being the key word there

just something to think about when you are sticking do-hickeys all over the place. often TT or DT cablestops will fall right near the end of the butt or in the thin bit of the tube. If it was me, i'd want to be putting as little heat as possible in those sensitive areas. I'm not really messing with this stuff anymore, but i used to heat up the braze on bit itself, and then just flow a spot of silver under there as soon as the tube would take it. No blobs of brass to clean up, and less heat into the tube (and less distortion, if you're slamming them in post jointing)

torch doesnt matter (to paraphrase eric, hot heat is hot!) as much as the person holding it.

Sat, 06/10/2017 - 23:08
sparksflyhigh
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(Reply to #4302)

Ah, I got a better view of what you're working with from your instagram photo. Was wondering why you didn't bend the corners of the main platform, but I guess the different tubing sizes makes it a bit lighter/stiffer on that backstop tube. Nice, simple bender.

Sun, 06/11/2017 - 18:40
sparksflyhigh
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New jig, design ripped off from the Heeler Cycles jig, with more drop-in parts from 8020 so there's no machining required other than use of a drill press.




Thu, 06/22/2017 - 00:41
Lowrey'sOrgan
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Not to be a huge downer but that looks like an absolute pain in the ass to use, especially at the bb. Too many reference faces and too many fasteners, no thank you. Unless there's some reasoning I'm missing?

Thu, 06/22/2017 - 00:49
sparksflyhigh
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(Reply to #4305)

Lowrey'sOrgan wrote:
Not to be a huge downer but that looks like an absolute pain in the ass to use, especially at the bb. Too many reference faces and too many fasteners, no thank you. Unless there's some reasoning I'm missing?

BB holder is less than ideal, but it still only takes a minute to set up, even with the seat tube welded to the BB in the subassembly, which is how this jig was designed to work. As far as reference faces, etc, I prefer this design to the ubiquitous behind-the-frame format, especially designs such as the Arctos, which have the floating BB. This jig places the entire frame on the centerline of the jig, with the fixturing elements outside of the frame, allowing complete welding access. I have a spreadsheet, in which I enter several dimensions from SolidWorks and it outputs the numbers by which I set up the jig using the rulers in the photos. My priority with the design was to eliminate machining on my end since I lack a mill or lathe atm, without which I could have removed a lot of the fasteners and sped up setup and would've copied the Heeler jig even more closer. As it is, there are only a few adjustments to be made for each frame, assuming the same axle and bottom bracket are being used:
1) Horizontal BB adjustment
2) Head tube height
3) Head angle
4) Chainstay length/horizontal dummy axle tower adjustment
5) BB drop/axle height
Setup only needs to be done once per frame, and even fucking around with all the bolts is still 10x faster than what I was using before (angle iron semi-jig). I only build a few frames per year.

Thu, 06/22/2017 - 01:17
Eric Estlund

Sat, 06/24/2017 - 19:46
NOVELTYNAME
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eric I'm gonna call you next year

"Folks want options!"

Sun, 06/25/2017 - 00:52
Eric Estlund

I like the sound of that.

Sun, 06/25/2017 - 10:46
Eric Estlund

Between foot surgery and my lightning induced power outage I've been out for a bit. I'm always a little afraid I'll forget how to make stuff if I'm out.

Not to worry.

500x

Fri, 07/07/2017 - 21:50
emor
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please ensure you are still making bikes in 10 years when I can afford to buy one from you

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Sat, 07/08/2017 - 10:50
Eric Estlund

Barring unforeseen life changes, that's the plan.

Sun, 07/09/2017 - 21:16
Shortpants
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Eric I was at the bar the other night with Lucas and Ben Strain (I think you know Lucas, he paints for Stoemper) and there was a guy sitting in the corner of the bar that looked just like you. Lucas and I had been talking and mentioned it to each other then Ben walked up and said the same thing to the two of us. It was kind of a weird small world moment. Then they asked me how I knew you and I mumbled something about 'hey ya know bikes" and walked away.

Mon, 07/10/2017 - 04:07
Eric Estlund

Nice! Yeah, say hello for me next time you see them!

Lucas painted this one:

Mon, 07/10/2017 - 10:50
Eric Estlund

Making stuff for making stuff.

Wed, 07/12/2017 - 09:44
rauce
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Track frame I built for a bro, still needs a dt decal.

Track frame for myself I'm just starting on. Custom formed aero tubes for ST and DT made from 1 1/2" 0.035" 4130, aero profiles SS made from smaller 0.035" stock as well. Heavy but should actually be aero especially with good rear wheel coverage. For 1" steerer so I can use a set of these I have lying around:

Sun, 07/16/2017 - 20:42
NOVELTYNAME
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Make me a DT cable stop with a cheeseburger in it

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 07/17/2017 - 13:45
iwillbe
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This is a little ways off of the point of this thread, but:

who is doing interesting stuff with custom carbon these days? I'm aware of most of the established builders, but assume that there must be a rising tide of people working with the stuff. I don't follow enough esoteric materials science-meets-bikes email listservs to be up on this stuff myself.

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Mon, 07/17/2017 - 16:28
rauce
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(Reply to #4318)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Make me a DT cable stop with a cheeseburger in it

I kinda forgot about that. PM me the details and I'll try and whip that up for you.

Mon, 07/17/2017 - 20:49
drwelby
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(Reply to #4319)

rauce wrote:
Custom formed aero tubes for ST and DT made from 1 1/2" 0.035" 4130, aero profiles SS made from smaller 0.035" stock as well.

Deets on the forming process?

Naturally, this bike is partially tarck's fault.

Mon, 07/17/2017 - 21:35
rauce
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Mon, 07/17/2017 - 22:34
bobbythehawk
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the dream is dead

i told myself if i didnt build a frame in a year, i'd let this stuff go.

anvil frame and fork fixture, with some extras. 2200 usd + shipping for both
Untitled by Robert Freeman, on Flickr
Untitled by Robert Freeman, on Flickr

Tue, 07/18/2017 - 00:04
Eric Estlund

Working on some ideas:

Sat, 07/29/2017 - 09:45
Eric Estlund

Whacky long rake (78mm) assisted Dutch bike for threaded 25.4 head tube, disc brakes. Pretty stoked with how it came out.

Sat, 11/11/2017 - 14:41
bobbythehawk
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anybody want my HTR-1b & BTS-1? I am gonna post 'em up for sale on FB and whatever soon.

Thu, 12/21/2017 - 23:07
Face
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want? yes.

have use for? no :(

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i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Fri, 12/22/2017 - 00:33
guccipolo
(Reply to #4326)

bobbythehawk wrote:
anybody want my HTR-1b & BTS-1? I am gonna post 'em up for sale on FB and whatever soon.

BTS-1 if the price is right. Will DM.

Sat, 12/23/2017 - 11:59
Shortpants
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Can someone recommend a book or two about the basics of bicycle design and theory, specifically one that does focus on the math and numbers? (I know this is like asking for a basic book to build a nuclear reactor or find peace in the middle east. Just give me an idea.)

I'd like to design my own bike. Maybe for making myself, maybe just so I know what I want built. I always said that I didn't need a custom bike because I'm a standard fit and I only ride track bikes. But the reality is that I have weird particulars I like/need that I'd like to work out.

My goal at the end of this is to have a solid design in CAD (or rattleCAD or whatever) that I can reference. Even if I do nothing with it.

Mon, 01/29/2018 - 02:29
JUGE FREDD
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I don't have a book or two to recommend — just several generations of differently-accented authentic frontier gibberish for you to parse and integrate like I've been

A friend of mine has been working on a geometry comparator to compare designs from multiple points of view, but it isn't launched yet: https://geometry.bike/

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 01/29/2018 - 23:30
Shortpants
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(Reply to #4329)

Mon, 01/29/2018 - 23:55
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Ha, I just got a Facebook PM from Zach about his new site.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 01/29/2018 - 23:58
Eric Estlund

SuperMAX

Thu, 02/01/2018 - 18:26
Viggen
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STORN AF.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Sat, 02/03/2018 - 07:37
Eric Estlund

Going to leave this one unfiled.

Wed, 02/07/2018 - 19:07
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #4334)

Eric Estlund wrote:
SuperMAX

HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR?!??

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 02/07/2018 - 19:11
Eric Estlund

Rocketman

Wed, 02/07/2018 - 19:13
JUGE FREDD
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is SuperMax a replacement fork for someone's nonferrous bike?

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 02/08/2018 - 03:15
Eric Estlund

Nope- it's the start of a fun steel rig (though I probably do a few forks a year for folks directly replacing a carbon fork).

And yes, we discussed balancing the practicality of tapered steel vs the fun factor of going for a true tapered steel lugged fork. Fun factor won the day.

Thu, 02/08/2018 - 08:26
lukasz
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(Reply to #4338)

Viggen wrote:
STORN AF.

seriously

Fri, 02/09/2018 - 10:07
Eric Estlund

Sun, 02/11/2018 - 21:01
Eric Estlund
Fri, 02/16/2018 - 12:48
lukasz
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are you gonna be at nahbs at all Eric? I'm guessing no since you're currently not there?

Fri, 02/16/2018 - 12:56
Eric Estlund

Nope- my wife and I are taking the weekend for our 15th anniversary.

Fri, 02/16/2018 - 12:59
Eric Estlund

Brazing-

Raw-

Rubbed-

Sat, 03/03/2018 - 12:59
Eric Estlund

No file vingt sept plus.

Sat, 03/10/2018 - 08:27
motorbacon
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(Reply to #4345)

Rusty Piton wrote:
Eric Estlund wrote:
SuperMAX

HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR?!??

Is this remotely possible for Thruaxle Dick brake? I want it so bad.

Sat, 03/10/2018 - 21:58
Eric Estlund

Lets chat.

Sat, 03/10/2018 - 22:34
turpencat
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just ordered a tubeset in the henry james true temper dump sale.
$100 for oxplat whooo boy.
literally spent $250 on the same steel in this same life.

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Tue, 05/08/2018 - 19:54
sparksflyhigh
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Oh shit 10 dollars for both OX Plat and S3 tubes? I need to order some today. I thought they were blowing them out when OX plat was 20 dollars per

Thu, 05/10/2018 - 05:33
JUGE FREDD
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how much was shipping?

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 05/10/2018 - 21:49
sparksflyhigh
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About 27 dollars to Phoenix. Half that to Seattle

Fri, 05/11/2018 - 03:35

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