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le petit cat wrote:
Hahahaah. A little bird told me Dr. Michele Ferrari is working on something new. Stem cells and cloning.

Coming from the guy who didn't know pros were still doping like 3 weeks ago?

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 00:19
petit jong cat
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No. I would have liked to believe things had gotten better. Cleaned up a bit. There are many stories floating around I'm sure there's some semblance of truth to them.

Not all in the pro peloton use. For some, to become a "professional" it may mean you have to. It's part of the job description as some would say.

Tyler Hamilton, Ivan Basso, Floyd Landis, David Millar, those were the unlucky ones.

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ive never wanted to punch you in the fucking face more than i do right now, lpc

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 00:43
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le petit cat wrote:
Hahahaah. A little bird told me Dr. Michele Ferrari is working on something new. Stem cells and cloning.

Sastre is in such good form, Ferrari decided to replicate him. Instead of one, now there are two! Cervelo has released Heinrich Haussler due to the lack of results. Sastre #2 will take his place.

Shhhhh!

I have given up trying not to hate you

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 00:43
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Sun, 04/18/2010 - 00:51
1percenttruck
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hahaha.

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 02:03
that guy
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Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 02:08
1percenttruck
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stupid sexy flanders.

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 03:32
donks
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it's about time

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 11:58
petit jong cat
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@velonews: Inside Cycling with John Wilcockson: Philippe Gilbert played it smart at Amstel Gold Race http://kl.am/aSv5

He did a super super job. The Amgen Tour of California begins next month. I'm looking forward to it. Hoping to see some stage wins from Columbia and Cervelo.

teepz wrote:
ive never wanted to punch you in the fucking face more than i do right now, lpc

Mon, 04/19/2010 - 11:28
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UCI Track Cycling Worlds are on Universal Sports right now:)

Mon, 04/19/2010 - 20:02
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How The Race Was Won - Amstel Gold 2010 from Cosmo Catalano on Vimeo.

Awesome video. Check out the site for videos from the other major races.

Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Tue, 04/20/2010 - 00:33
that guy
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Awesome recap. Check out Cyclocosm for vids from the other major races too.

Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Tue, 04/20/2010 - 00:34
1percenttruck
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"...attacking in more or less the same place he attacks every year with pretty much the same result."

hahahaha

Tue, 04/20/2010 - 03:18
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Tue, 04/20/2010 - 10:07
petit jong cat
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^Is Gilbert downplaying his accomplishments or is he being sincere? I can't tell. Interesting article. Thanks for that.


@Guardian.co.uk - Anna Kessel on superstar sprinter Mark Cavendish

Quote:
Cavendish proved a lot of people wrong. He didn’t look like a spencer rider; still doesn’t. He had a pudgy face, short, stubby legs and an unremarkable pedalling style. And when they plugged him into the monitors to test his power and physical limits, the results were pretty ordinary. Simon Jones, the head coach at British Cycling, was one of many sceptics. “So, Cav, what do you want out of cycling?” he inquired one day.

“I want to be a road pro, win stages of the Tour and be a world champion,” Cavendish replies.

“Well, you’re not hitting the numbers to do that.”

@TimesOnline - Mark Cavendish: ‘I don’t have enough time for my family’

teepz wrote:
ive never wanted to punch you in the fucking face more than i do right now, lpc

Wed, 04/21/2010 - 03:44
halbritt
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Nice interview. I hope he can regain his form.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 04/21/2010 - 15:55
1percenttruck
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Cav's personality, to me, reminds me of a mythical Greek hero or Shakespearian character bent on hubris. He has this inclination to prove everyone wrong and become the best, but then reaches the top and tumbles down via his fatal flaw.

Wed, 04/21/2010 - 16:13
halbritt
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Holy shit, Cadel wins one:

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 04/21/2010 - 18:42
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This is the first I'm hearing about this little wrinkle in the Rasmussen story.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/cycling/article2116022.ece

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Wed, 04/21/2010 - 19:00
donks
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emo/goth kroon

Wed, 04/21/2010 - 22:49
petit jong cat
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Repeat of LBL from 2009? Andy Schleck = win
@Steephill.tv: Liege-Bastogne-Liege; coverage begins 4:45AM PST

teepz wrote:
ive never wanted to punch you in the fucking face more than i do right now, lpc

Sun, 04/25/2010 - 06:00
Endpoint
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steephill.tv delivered the goods.... too bad _____________ did not. Oh well.

Sun, 04/25/2010 - 11:11
donks
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didn't think that break was going to stay away, takes a shitload to keep pulling away from a valverde/evans/gilbert group

Sun, 04/25/2010 - 11:13
halbritt
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Vino is getting mad.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Mon, 04/26/2010 - 19:19
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halbritt wrote:
Vino is getting mad.

Makes for yet another interesting variable in this year's Tour.

Mon, 04/26/2010 - 19:35
halbritt
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ryanoceros wrote:
halbritt wrote:
Vino is getting mad.

Makes for yet another interesting variable in this year's Tour.

I don't see ASO letting him race.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 02:26
donks
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lets hope, fuck these two year bans, obviously not enough to turn people off doping

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 02:42
Carabo
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donks wrote:
turn people off doping

Nothing will, best to accept.

I don't give a shit but honestly If Vino is a doper he obviously isn't doing enough of it to get caught! Unless he's caught he's equal to the other riders and shouldn't be treated differently IMO.

Also. Merckx was caught multiple times for doping but no one went apeshit about that back in the day.

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 07:36
donks
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Carabo wrote:
best to accept

smiley

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 08:01
1percenttruck
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Carabo wrote:
donks wrote:
turn people off doping

Nothing will, best to accept.

I don't give a shit but honestly If Vino is a doper he obviously isn't doing enough of it to get caught! Unless he's caught he's equal to the other riders and shouldn't be treated differently IMO.

Also. Merckx was caught multiple times for doping but no one went apeshit about that back in the day.

Different drugs, different politics, different paradigm. Read Dave Moulton's article on old school perspectives on doping for some insight.

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 13:09
Carabo
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*reading

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 13:15
dmotobear
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This article pisses me off: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/frei-confesses-to-epo-usage-and-is-released-by-bmc

So pretty much everyone is still micro-dosing epo and biological passport isnt catching it :(

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 13:17
1percenttruck
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It pisses you off that he immediately confessed as opposed to pussyfooting around the issue like so many other pros who do it and get caught?

But yeah, I'd say pretty much everyone is microdosing EPO. Have a look at this: http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-cycling-pros-defeat-anti-doping.html

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 13:40
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AndreBear wrote:
It pisses you off that he immediately confessed as opposed to pussyfooting around the issue like so many other pros who do it and get caught?

That was actually quite refreshing that he did act in that way, but I had really convinced myself that the days of epo were pretty much over.. it sucks that this is not the case.

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 13:47
halbritt
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The days of athletes manipulating their hematocrit well above 50% and dying as a result are over. For that, I'm thankful. I care less about people cheating.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 14:23
1percenttruck
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I think it's very reasonable to assume that nearly anyone at the top, and a lot of people lower, are microdosing EPO and blood doping. Hell, there was that lone press piece about blood doping kits being found in Astana car last summer or fall, and then not a murmur afterwards. Is someone paying someone else off?

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 17:32
halbritt
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AndreBear wrote:
Is someone paying someone else off?

No. Never... It doesn't even have to be something as uncouth as bribery. It's as simple as a cyclist having enough influence to convince the UCI that if they preserve the status quo that it's in the best interest of the sport. I don't have any idea which cyclist would have that kind of money, power, and influence, but it's theoretically possible.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 19:10
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halbritt wrote:
AndreBear wrote:
Is someone paying someone else off?

No. Never... It doesn't even have to be something as uncouth as bribery. It's as simple as a cyclist having enough influence to convince the UCI that if they preserve the status quo that it's in the best interest of the sport. I don't have any idea which cyclist would have that kind of money, power, and influence, but it's theoretically possible.

Do you mean that preserving the status quo would keep the sport popular? I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't really understand the doping situation (why so many people have done/do it, why it's tolerated) in pro cycling at all. Obviously it's not hard to understand that if enough pros do it, then anyone who isn't is going to have a tough time winning races. Is that what the situation boils down to, or is there more to it?

Edit: perhaps I should move this to the Dumb questions thread... I'm still curious.

Wed, 04/28/2010 - 11:20
1percenttruck
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halbritt wrote:
AndreBear wrote:
Is someone paying someone else off?

No. Never... It doesn't even have to be something as uncouth as bribery. It's as simple as a cyclist having enough influence to convince the UCI that if they preserve the status quo that it's in the best interest of the sport. I don't have any idea which cyclist would have that kind of money, power, and influence, but it's theoretically possible.

I'd be inclined to bet that no cyclist in the pro peloton has that kind of power or money, but in some bass-ackwards world where they did, let's just get as ridiculous as we can and say he also has one nut.

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 20:17
halbritt
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AndreBear wrote:
halbritt wrote:
AndreBear wrote:
Is someone paying someone else off?

No. Never... It doesn't even have to be something as uncouth as bribery. It's as simple as a cyclist having enough influence to convince the UCI that if they preserve the status quo that it's in the best interest of the sport. I don't have any idea which cyclist would have that kind of money, power, and influence, but it's theoretically possible.

I'd be inclined to bet that no cyclist in the pro peloton has that kind of power or money, but in some bass-ackwards world where they did, let's just get as ridiculous as we can and say he also has one nut.

Owns a private jet, pulls strings with the UCI and doesn't afraid of anything. I have a theory that Mr. Pelota caused the UCI to disqualify the Specialized Shiv from competition this year. I also theorize that he's set the UCI against the AFLD.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 23:07
petit jong cat
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From what I've read and can recall, the engineers at Specialized would routinely check back with UCI officials to make sure that the Shiv was within regulation. The article (I'll have to find it later) made it seem as if they fucked up. UCI, what a bunch of punks.

@velonews: Sagan takes over at Romandie http://kl.am/bu36

Remember that 19 year old who had back-to-back stage wins at Paris-Nice? Well today, he did it again. Sagan is on fiiiyyyaah!

teepz wrote:
ive never wanted to punch you in the fucking face more than i do right now, lpc

Wed, 04/28/2010 - 14:25
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le petit cat wrote:
From what I've read and can recall, Specialized would routinely check back with UCI officials to make sure that it was within regulation. The article (I'll have to find it later) made it seem as if the engineers at Specialized fucked up. UCI, what a bunch of punks.

The Shiv definitely violates UCI rules, but then, so does a lot of other things. Very little of it is exceptionally flagrant and they don't really bother all that much with enforcement. They've been threatening to, though. It's not like new equipment comes out every few weeks. That bullshit could've been resolved way back when the Shiv was nothing but a solidworks file. The UCI just didn't care... until, as my theory goes, someone encouraged them to care thus creating a difficult weekend for one particular tour contender. If I were the dude in charge, I'd have grandfathered the Shiv for 2010 with a notice that it wouldn't be legal for competition in 2011. I think that's what USAC has done in most events.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 04/28/2010 - 14:25
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UCI seems to be easily swayed. Take the changes in spencer position Graham Obree introduced in the early 90s and the timing of their bans near major competitions he was participating in. While the logic behind the rule changes make sense, the timing of the changes seem highly political.

It is interesting that the UCI vs. AFLD issue seems to be what's holding up the investigation into the alleged doping equipment found in the possession of Astana during last year's tour. No new news has come out since December. I think it's likely that there are backroom talks and money changing hands.

There is much about Mr. Pelota that I like. However, he would make a bigger fan out of me if he were to put out a tell-all book about the extent of doping in cycling, including his own. I'm sure he's privy to many secrets in the pro peloton, past and present. Unfortunately, he's too embedded in the culture. Too many old friends and associates would get hurt.

I think Livestrong is motivated by more than just his own battle with cancer. I think it's his way of dealing with the guilt / justifying his behavior. I think a lot of charity work that pro cyclists involve themselves with are exactly that. Just like hollywood celebs. We can't forget that at the heart of it, pro athletes are highly trained entertainers. They're in the business of making legends and creating myths. Not too different than a stage magician or a sideshow attraction. For it to work, though, there must be a level of transparency:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=if-darwin-were-a-sports-psychologis-2010-03-11

Thu, 04/29/2010 - 12:11
halbritt
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Less conspiracy theories and more Pro Cycling:

Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but, hi Mark.

Also, in tour of the gila news, some protour dudes are on a training ride with some continental pro teams sitting in.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Thu, 04/29/2010 - 18:18
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<3Cav. I think he's gonna dominate some shit soon. I'm not normally not so jazzed on le Tour but I look forward to him pedaling himself to death.

Thu, 04/29/2010 - 20:19
petit jong cat
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V for victory? Good work by Cavendish and the team today. Sagan holds the leader's jersey @ Romandie. Only two stages thus far so it's not saying much. Yet.

RT @markrenshaw1: Back to the good old days! Done a ripper lead out today for Cav. Team is strong like always, but i must say i was in the hurt box a little.

...and Lance Armstrong is having another babby. #5 is on the way. 4 more and he has his own Tour de France team!

RT @lancearmstrong: Getting ?'s today about someone I'm following, a certain @Cincoarmstrong. What to say? Yet another blessing in our lives. I cannot wait!

Really excited for the Giro d'Italia and the Tour of California! Giro begins on the 8th and California on the 16th. Come out and show your support when they roll through San Fran!

teepz wrote:
ive never wanted to punch you in the fucking face more than i do right now, lpc

Thu, 04/29/2010 - 20:27
donks
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i seriously don't get how anyone can like that guy

Thu, 04/29/2010 - 20:27
donks
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...not sure if you guys are missing it, but that hand gesture, especially when accompanied with the arms like that, means 'fuck you' around my parts

Thu, 04/29/2010 - 20:30
kyle!
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Hence <3 Cav.

Dude's a ripper. Yeah he's a snot nosed punk, but goddamn he's got a sprint. And I just love how fucking awkward he is. He reminds me of what I'd be like in his situation. I probably wouldn't talk as much shit, however.

Thu, 04/29/2010 - 20:37
parkbench
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team radioshack with some throwback-ish jerseys

with matching cap

Fri, 04/30/2010 - 00:11

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