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Rusty Piton
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What rim should I buy for my Specialized Epic. I'm gonna build new wheels around the stock hubs. I wonder if it would take 27.5+ tires. Probably not, right?

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 06/27/2017 - 09:26
liquify
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Probably not. Usually needs boost, which would indicate they purposely made space behind the bb.
Arch MK3 are now 26mm internal and solid from the abuse some friends of mine have put them through out here.

Tue, 06/27/2017 - 09:55
Sneaky Viking
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i29s?

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Tue, 06/27/2017 - 21:59
Sneaky Viking
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I want to put a freewheel on 12" kids bike.
I want to just throw a freewheel hub in instead of the coaster brake one. Shitty wheels on there have 20h. I don't have any 40h hubs around. Can I throw a 36h in there and yolo? It's straight pull kids bike bullshit- shouldn't really matter, right?

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 18:09
drwelby
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2 spokes
skip 1
1 spoke
skip 1
2 spokes
skip 2
2 spokes
skip 1
1 spoke
skip 1
2 spokes
skip 2

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 18:48
Sneaky Viking
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nevermind- I couldn't find it on J&B, but I can just buy one for $20 on ebay. Fugg it.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 19:24
yonderboy
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Are free coasters still a thing? BITD, there was a ring that could replace the kickback arm.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 13:52
drwelby
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You can just take the brake pads out. It won't freespin backwards but it also won't brake.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 14:07
Sneaky Viking
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I picked up another 12" bike with 16h alloy rims for $5. Guess I'll swap that.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 14:28
theKearney
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I wanted to post this somewhere - seems like a good enough fit: guy 3D prints front hub out of PLA. Darwin award incoming?

https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/70xw6g/several_people_tried_to_convince_me_that_it_was_a/

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 17:40
iwillbe
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(Reply to #4961)

theKearney wrote:
I wanted to post this somewhere - seems like a good enough fit: guy 3D prints front hub out of PLA. Darwin award incoming?

https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/70xw6g/several_people_tried_to_convince_me_that_it_was_a/

It's just not fair. I browse r/bicycling looking for exactly this kind of disaster content, but all I ever see are pictures of stock bikes with slammed saddles or Strava screens displaying a 30 mile ride, complete with some passive aggressive "this might be as nice a bike / as big a ride as others, but I"M REAL PROUD OF IT SO UPVOTES PLEEEEASEEE"
I really want to see some of these second year Engineering major undergrad disasters of hubris and willful ignorance as they unfold live.

Weirdly, the niche cycling subreddits are not markedly worse than, like bikeforums or something. Smaller communities or something, maybe.

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 18:07
theKearney
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There was one a few days back where a guy took a 29er frame, put shimano 105 road groupset on it, and the comments were filled with congratulatory "whoa man this is really cool" stuff. I hate /r/bicycling but I just can't stop looking at it.

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 18:14
drwelby
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There were some attempts at all-plastic hubs but they had too many failures. I know Weco and Ofmega had plastic-bodied hubs with aluminum flanges.

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 18:21
jamesacklin
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I have a clydesdale buddy who's looking for a "my first serious wheelset" in 700C for road and some gravel. I've pointed him mostly towards sensible 1600-gram, 32-spoke DT350-to-A23s with CX-Rays type builds. (It seems like there are million of these wheelsets now, as opposed to when I built mine ~3 years ago with WI to Archetypes.) What does tarck recommend?

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 20:02
heavymetal
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Everyone's gonna talk you away from A23s, but I've got that wheelset (with Ultegra hubs) and they've been faultless for thousands of km on various terrain.

That said, there's probably a much better DT or something rim available now for the same price.

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 20:19
schultzor
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DT r460

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 20:41
Endpoint
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R460 is good but just pinned. Go for welded. RR440 is killer if you can still find them. Or any Hed rim.

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 21:31
NOVELTYNAME
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Is there a "Tarck's dream wholesome bike" where it's basically ultegra with DT hubs and wtb horizons?

"Folks want options!"

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 21:34
Endpoint
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We will never agree on Shimano. Even Josh is starting to admit Shimano is slipping.

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 22:00
jamesacklin
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(Reply to #4970)

Thanks folks. I'll look for some RR440s and recommended HEDs as a fallback. Appreciate it. :)

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 22:20
iwillbe
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(Reply to #4971)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Is there a "Tarck's dream wholesome bike" where it's basically ultegra with DT hubs and wtb horizons?

Sub Schwalbe G Ones for Horizons and that's what I've got going on.

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 23:34
emor
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Don't HEDs have a pretty short life? I really can recommend DT Swiss rims. They're durable.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Wed, 09/20/2017 - 00:06
NOVELTYNAME
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Dick brak or gtfo

"Folks want options!"

Wed, 09/20/2017 - 01:20
jdsmooth
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(Reply to #4974)

Maybe look at Kinlin XR31 also; they come in 28, 32 holeways.
A nerdy review of them: https://novemberbicycles.com/blogs/blog/rim-reviews-fsw3-kinlin-xr31t
I have two Kinlin TL wheelsets (road/off-road) and think they're great rims.

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Wed, 09/20/2017 - 12:14
ergott
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Easton R90 SL is excellent

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Wed, 09/20/2017 - 19:44
motorbacon
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Big fan of the R90 SL hoops. Been running them on the Coffee Grinder for a year and a half and they've seen a lot of rocky trails and smooth road. Fantastic hoops, just don't buy them as prebuilts....

Thu, 09/21/2017 - 03:04
Endpoint
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I always forget about those. I need an excuse to order a set.

Thu, 09/21/2017 - 10:31
shane.rrr
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I have A23s but were purchased affordable and easily obtainable. I am usually somewhere around 215 pounds and I haven't had any problems with them. BUT if I was picking out a wheelset rather than looking for something cheap locally I would probably pick something nicer.

What kind of bike is this going on? Rim or disk brake?

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 14:28
Endpoint
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Probably relevant to someone here...

New version of the Alex Adventure has a legit UST style tubeless bead hook. Comes in 26" rim brake. Saw one in the flesh the other day and was kindof amazed.

No 650b of course though.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 23:06
ergott
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Anyone try these Ryde rims? Available in 650, nice width, asym, not stupid light... I kinda wanna try.

http://www.ryde.nl/edge-22

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 08:49
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #4981)

theKearney wrote:
There was one a few days back where a guy took a 29er frame, put shimano 105 road groupset on it, and the comments were filled with congratulatory "whoa man this is really cool" stuff. I hate /r/bicycling but I just can't stop looking at it.

Like so many other bad ideas, I just assume that any disastrous bicycle I encounter on the internet began life on a Reddit forum.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 09:46
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #4982)

Endpoint wrote:
We will never agree on Shimano. Even Josh is starting to admit Shimano is slipping.

Quality still exceeds everyone else, they just have their head in the sand regarding the direction of cycling.

Why the fuck did DT Swiss discontinue the RR440, anyway?

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 09:49
kmcdon
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I'm leaning towards some i25 KOMs for the wheels I'm having built. Byways are most likely the narrowest tires that will ever be mounted on them, but I will likely run wider knobbies at some times.

There's not reason at all to use the i23 here, right?

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 10:58
kmcdon
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(Reply to #4984)

shane.rrr wrote:
I have A23s but were purchased affordable and easily obtainable. I am usually somewhere around 215 pounds and I haven't had any problems with them. BUT if I was picking out a wheelset rather than looking for something cheap locally I would probably pick something nicer.

What kind of bike is this going on? Rim or disk brake?

I've also got a set of a23 wheels, but in 36 spokeway. I've ridden them through some pretty fucked up shit, crashed them, and jumped them (not 5 foot drops at speed, but I've definitely had a foot or two of air with them) and I weigh 210. They've never given me an issue.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 11:04
jawn doe
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(Reply to #4985)

Endpoint wrote:
Probably relevant to someone here...

New version of the Alex Adventure has a legit UST style tubeless bead hook. Comes in 26" rim brake. Saw one in the flesh the other day and was kindof amazed.

No 650b of course though.

I built one recently for my 26 basket bike. fucking legit for a sub $30 retail rim. would buy again.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 11:39
iwillbe
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(Reply to #4986)

Wintage Townie wrote:
Quality still exceeds everyone else, they just have their head in the sand regarding the direction of cycling.

Dunno about that - they have a full line of hydraulic disc road groups now, and it's not clear where the whole subcompact / 1x / pie plate cogset world of low-gear mixed surface drivetrains is going to wind up.

I mean, who knows, maybe 1x is the future of bikes and we're watching Sram start on a path to market dominance, maybe it's going to turn into a niche market Shimano can largely ignore/not directly address. Or maybe Campagnolo is going to blow our minds with the 1x setup they'll be debuting at the 2025 Interbike, held in some dude's garage in Carson City.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 12:38
shane.rrr
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(Reply to #4987)

jawn doe wrote:
Endpoint wrote:
Probably relevant to someone here...

New version of the Alex Adventure has a legit UST style tubeless bead hook. Comes in 26" rim brake. Saw one in the flesh the other day and was kindof amazed.

No 650b of course though.

I built one recently for my 26 basket bike. fucking legit for a sub $30 retail rim. would buy again.

Thats legit awesome. I am almost finished building a 26" 90's Trek up for my girlfriend who is 5' tall and quickly found there is not a lot of options out there for decent 26inch wheels. Much less tubeless.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 12:51
jamesacklin
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(Reply to #4988)

shane.rrr wrote:
I have A23s but were purchased affordable and easily obtainable. I am usually somewhere around 215 pounds and I haven't had any problems with them. BUT if I was picking out a wheelset rather than looking for something cheap locally I would probably pick something nicer.

What kind of bike is this going on? Rim or disk brake?

Cable disco.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 13:47
Endpoint
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(Reply to #4989)

Wintage Townie wrote:
Endpoint wrote:
We will never agree on Shimano. Even Josh is starting to admit Shimano is slipping.

Quality still exceeds everyone else, they just have their head in the sand regarding the direction of cycling.

Why the fuck did DT Swiss discontinue the RR440, anyway?

RR411 is a nice step forward.

Also... learned today that the spider tabs on a 4700 crank are quite a bit thicker so if someone wants to put a 46t ring on their Tiagra cranks their only option is "fuck you an Ultegra ring won't work". Building multiple incompatible versions within a "standard" like BCD is either idiotic or devious.

Their design philosophy is garbage and the roadblocks to prevent small upgrades certainly doesn't help the end user.

The fact that their current mid level and up product lines have no less than 5 unique and incompatible front cable pulls and 4 rear is a design FLAW not feature.

And while their wet trail brakes are a cut above Sram from a QC standpoint I have seen an uptick in issues there as well.

Don't get me started on their "wheel systems"

Plus they clearly don't give a single fuck about brick and mortar shops.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 21:00
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I am not defending anything but the quality of the hydraulic brakes (and the consumables are still just fine, as long as you're not a bike shop trying to make a profit).

I think they're basically doing everything else wrong, and coasting along because of their monopoly on the OEM side. I think they're probably about to get blindsided, especially if their sole focus remains high end road bikes.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 21:17
Endpoint
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I can get behind that.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 21:31
motorbacon
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Completely unnecessary, but I did it anyways on my Honzo.

Thu, 09/28/2017 - 04:37
deadforkinglast
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I love spoke washers. They look so good. I doubt they do much else, but I still wish I had used them on the wheels for the endpoint.

Sat, 09/30/2017 - 17:55
jamesacklin
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Update: he ended up going with DT 350s to Belgiums, tubeless with Compass Bon Jovi Passes. Excited to see the look of amazement. #supple

Sun, 10/01/2017 - 14:30
guccipolo

I cracked a Light Bicycle rim today.

Sun, 10/01/2017 - 15:40
Endpoint
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I have seen no fewer than 10 cracked alloy rims of various brands this year.... you gotta give us more info that that.

Sun, 10/01/2017 - 22:44
guccipolo
(Reply to #4997)

Endpoint wrote:
I have seen no fewer than 10 cracked alloy rims of various brands this year.... you gotta give us more info that that.

Realized that was a bit vague. I was riding a section of trail that is made of 4-6" stone water bars, bunny hopped one and when I came down... CRACK. Didn't notice any rocks in the landing and didn't even feel the tire bottom out. Was able to ride it 6 miles home, but it lost air within a few hours. My guess is it had a small crack from a previous impact and this somehow finally broke it. Going to replace it with an Arch EX this week.

Mon, 10/02/2017 - 13:16
jdsmooth
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a timely Danny MacAskill video

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Mon, 10/02/2017 - 16:07
NOVELTYNAME
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Has anyone built up a set of those new open pros?

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 13:04
fixed
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i need a new rim to replace the stans grail i cracked a few weeks ago. i would like your recommendations on spokes and rim!
front wheel
hub is a 28h white industries
must be tubeless, 23mm inner width or so
40c tire is going on this
primary use is CX racing

i am below the ENVE price range but above my usual "cheap as possible" price range. thinking something like a belgium+ or light bicycle rim. what is best value in race-worthy tubeless rim?
what spokes?

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 14:01

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