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JUGE FREDD
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it's at least three times as many operations to make something like that from scratch than your standard fancy $30 musa seat clamp that uses a ¢10 bolt

Instead of just a smaller 3-axis cnc mill, you'd also need either a pretty fancy cnc lathe or to waste a fuckload of human time, and some pretty nice tooling to do the hex broach well

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Sun, 12/10/2017 - 17:20
lofarkas
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Do you also need a red box and a red wrench and a baby tub of special grease to be sold with htat bolt? Because I think we all know that most of the price is for the marketing wank and not the CNCing.

BTW I don't think that box contains a seat clamp so the comparison with the standard fancy $30 musa seat clamp isn't that apt.

Sun, 12/10/2017 - 17:31
newellbt

We hate it when people refuse to play the game: Bruce Gordon
We hate it when people shamelessly play the game: Richard Sachs

Sure it’s all marketing wank but iirc campy discontinued their seatpost binder bolt of this same serrated, non-keyed design and NOS supplies are increasing in cost. Sachs is sitting on a shipping container of lugs which were designed to use this serrated, non-keyed style seatpost binder bolt. The Sugino and other affordable options are designed with a male key on one side which would require filing a female slot in every lug. In addition there are plenty of vintage frames which utilize the serrated, non-keyed binder bolt which would again require filing into the lug for a replacement binder bolt.

Now Sachs sells a Quality, machined by a pal of his, piece of hardware to pair with his lugs, pair with his frames and to be use as a replacement part on a vintage frame.

Does it need a Silca hex? No but his buddy runs the company.
Does it need a tub of special grease? No but his buddy runs that company too.
Does it need a twizzlers? No but he likes them and sends them with every order you place with him.

It’s all very on brand for Sachs and he would be the first to say this is unadulterated #brandonneuring. Enjoy it for the show shArTMO.

Sun, 12/10/2017 - 20:36
bward1028

just want to remind everyone that the nfs guy parked his Porsche in the bike lane to deliver lube to the bike shop

Sun, 12/10/2017 - 21:21
joy of vaping
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did you key it?

or do this:

Sun, 12/10/2017 - 21:47
Gary Fissure
(Reply to #4756)

bward1028 wrote:
just want to remind everyone that the nfs guy parked his Porsche in the bike lane to deliver lube to the bike shop

Very on-brand.

Sun, 12/10/2017 - 22:03
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #4757)

joy of vaping wrote:
did you key it?

or do this:

Portland

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 12/11/2017 - 13:12
lbthomps
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Mon, 12/11/2017 - 21:04
Goddamnit Gunther
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Yea goddamn I wanna see that thing mounted so badly

Endpoint wrote:
turdly buttways

Mon, 12/11/2017 - 22:46
drwelby
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Did everyone who is now the hipster rebirth of Rivendell completely miss the whole thing about Brooks saddles needing offset? There's at least 20 years of Riv Readers and redundant iBob discussion of this fact.

Naturally, this bike is partially tarck's fault.

Mon, 12/11/2017 - 22:59
newellbt
(Reply to #4761)

drwelby wrote:
Did everyone who is now the hipster rebirth of Rivendell completely miss the whole thing about Brooks saddles needing offset?

Yes

:sadgrant:

Mon, 12/11/2017 - 23:24
mdilthey
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I want you guys to look me in the eyes and tell me straight to my face that this:

Has noticeable deflection of vibration and shock compared to this:

Or is it just a body position thing?

26/M/41t N/W

Mon, 12/11/2017 - 23:46
ckd
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Have you ever read a bike blog or a bike forum before? It's a body position thing.

Spencer Raleigh, Medical Panini

Mon, 12/11/2017 - 23:55
mdilthey
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I just never cared (enough) about seatposts. So now look me... right in my eyes... and tell me all people of all dimensions want their Brooks saddle ~1 inch further back, in all circumstances, regardless of bike size, geometry, or reach? I'm joking but I've also never actually understood the setback seatpost zeal.

26/M/41t N/W

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 00:04
JUGE FREDD
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Brooks saddles were designed over a hundred years ago, when the steepest STA around was 67°

there have been zero functional design changes since then, the rails are still really short and all the way at the rear

that terrible crust has it slammed forward with the nose like an inch in front of the BB, where the UCI has a morphological minimum of 50mm behind to keep riders from doing dumb triathlete shit and killing each other with their unhandleable bikes

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 00:33
sparksflyhigh
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But are you looking right into mdilthey's eyes?

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 01:42
mdilthey
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26/M/41t N/W

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 03:04
bward1028
(Reply to #4768)

lbthomps wrote:

Crust bikes

Quote:
emersssssssson Love the gold on raw

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 10:51
joy of vaping
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setback is good, folks.

Here's a paper about how increasing posture length (reach + setback) reduces your chances of back injury: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9703347

here's an excerpt:

PM if you want the whole pdf and don't have access to it.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 11:04
Todd
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I am considering a longer stem on my MTB for that very reason. Saddle is already slammed.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 11:24
Rusty Piton
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Does my neck start to hurt after ~10 miles because of not enough setback? All my bikes have loads of setback!

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 11:39
jdsmooth
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(Reply to #4772)

Rusty Piton wrote:
Does my neck start to hurt after ~10 miles because of not enough setback? All my bikes have loads of setback!

could be bars too close. or other stuff.

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 11:44
jamesacklin
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Here's my jackass zero-actual-information theory: people that don't know better put Brooks saddles on zero-offset posts because A) they're not aware of offset as a concept, B) the horizontal toptubes on those bikes are too long and they want that neo-traditional square look, and/or C) it's an actual fit issue and they lack the core and arm strength to hold their torso up while stretched out slightly longer.

Once you free your mind from riveted leather orthodoxy, lots of very supportive saddles emerge as options that require less offset.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 11:49
joy of vaping
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(Reply to #4774)

jdsmooth wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
Does my neck start to hurt after ~10 miles because of not enough setback? All my bikes have loads of setback!

could be bars too close. or other stuff.

You could be hunching your back or shoulder a bit which means you'll have a sharper bend in your neck. I find if I really focus on having a flat back (and the forward-tilted pelvis that comes along with that) it helps with neck soreness + breathing. This engages your core more, so I'll have a sore lower back if I haven't ridden far in a while and have lost some strength there.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 12:01
euflavine
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(Reply to #4775)

jamesacklin wrote:
Here's my jackass zero-actual-information theory: people that don't know better put Brooks saddles on zero-offset posts because A) they're not aware of offset as a concept, B) the horizontal toptubes on those bikes are too long and they want that neo-traditional square look, and/or C) it's an actual fit issue and they lack the core and arm strength to hold their torso up while stretched out slightly longer.

Once you free your mind from riveted leather orthodoxy, lots of very supportive saddles emerge as options that require less offset.

Nah, they literally just want to use a Thomson. Find any picture of a Brooks on any other non-setback post and I'll retract my statement.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 12:12
drwelby
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(Reply to #4776)

jamesacklin wrote:
Here's my jackass zero-actual-information theory: people that put Brooks saddles on zero-offset posts because they don't know better

FTFY

Naturally, this bike is partially tarck's fault.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 12:15
Rentable Faxmachine
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A guy on a Cross Check passed me the other morning, and I saw that he had a sprung Brooks on what appeared to be a zero-offset post. It must have felt like riding a unicycle.

BTW, the new modular-frame Selle Anatomica saddles allow for much less offset than their other models. On my Jones with a 20mm offset post I end up with my sit bones positioned directly over the cantle/rivets even with the saddle slammed all the way back.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 12:38
ShartAttack
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Selle Anatomica, so close-yet-so-far until the end of time it seems

(I do have one Titanico X from like 4 years ago that has not bent or done any other wonky stuff yet but I am also afraid to ride it)
(I also have the NX which stretches and bends the rails almost every time I ride it)

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 12:50
Rentable Faxmachine
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When I asked SA if the new frames had the same offset as the other models, they told me that the new ones were designed for, "a more modern geometry/position." If they were only $50, I'd buy a bunch of the older X models with extra offset.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 13:03
ThurberMingus
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Do we have a thread on fit advice anywhere? I feel like I’ve just been fed lies (“neck/back hurts? Try zero setback and a super short rusty stack stem”) in relation to fit my entire time on a bike and now that I have a non-turdly frame I’d like to set it up properly. As well as give actual fit knowledge to people that come into the shop.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 14:30
newellbt
(Reply to #4781)

ThurberMingus wrote:
Do we have a thread on fit advice anywhere?

Bike fit advice is notoriously difficult to give over the internet. Jump in here and tarck alone will fix u.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 14:37
lofarkas
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(Reply to #4782)

Rusty Piton wrote:
Does my neck start to hurt after ~10 miles because of not enough setback? All my bikes have loads of setback!

Imo the most likely cause is too much saddle to bar drop putting a kink in yer neck. I have the same issue. Didn't happen in my 20s...

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 15:18
heavymetal
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(Reply to #4783)

bward1028 wrote:
lbthomps wrote:

Crust bikes

Quote:
emersssssssson Love the gold on raw

Quote:
mdilthey"Kill... me..."

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 15:21
euclid
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lofarkas wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
Does my neck start to hurt after ~10 miles because of not enough setback? All my bikes have loads of setback!

Imo the most likely cause is too much saddle to bar drop putting a kink in yer neck. I have the same issue. Didn't happen in my 20s...

better get some more spacers...

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 15:21
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #4785)

lofarkas wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
Does my neck start to hurt after ~10 miles because of not enough setback? All my bikes have loads of setback!

Imo the most likely cause is too much saddle to bar drop putting a kink in yer neck. I have the same issue. Didn't happen in my 20s...

I'm pretty sure I don't have too much drop lol.
In fact, the neck thing is probably why I've favored a more upright position all these years.
I'll try to me more conscious of my back being hunched or whatever.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 16:24
emor
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Slamming my saddle all the way back, every time, is the #1 riding comfort advice I’ve ever received and I got it here. It solved every fit problem I knew I had and a couple I didn’t.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 20:26
ergott
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(Reply to #4787)

jamesacklin wrote:
C) it's an actual fit issue and they lack the core and arm strength to hold their torso up while stretched out slightly longer.

Thing is, you don't need lots of core strength to be straight back like that. Putting power into the pedals will hold you in place. That's the whole point of Kirk's tips here (bears repeating all the time).
http://kirkframeworks.com/2009/06/19/riding-tip-3/

One addition I have is this is something you can get a feel for on the a trainer too. I start sitting as tall as I can while upright (no hands on bars). Then I rotate forward from the hips keeping everything in line. You need to be in a gearing that will put you at around threshold power (hard , sustained hour effort, you don't need a PM). If all goes well you arms will slip right to the bars. If you fall forward on the saddle, move it back. It really wakes up your glutes as a bonus.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 20:27
Blakey
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(Reply to #4788)

emor wrote:
Slamming my saddle all the way back, every time, is the #1 riding comfort advice I’ve ever received and I got it here. It solved every fit problem I knew I had and a couple I didn’t.

Timely, I just saw this:

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 20:29
jamesacklin
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(Reply to #4789)

ergott wrote:
jamesacklin wrote:
C) it's an actual fit issue and they lack the core and arm strength to hold their torso up while stretched out slightly longer.

Thing is, you don't need lots of core strength to be straight back like that. Putting power into the pedals will hold you in place. That's the whole point of Kirk's tips here (bears repeating all the time).
http://kirkframeworks.com/2009/06/19/riding-tip-3/

One addition I have is this is something you can get a feel for on the a trainer too. I start sitting as tall as I can while upright (no hands on bars). Then I rotate forward from the hips keeping everything in line. You need to be in a gearing that will put you at around threshold power (hard , sustained hour effort, you don't need a PM). If all goes well you arms will slip right to the bars. If you fall forward on the saddle, move it back. It really wakes up your glutes as a bonus.

This is good advice! Thank you!

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 20:35
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #4790)

emor wrote:
Slamming my saddle all the way back, every time, is the #1 riding comfort advice I’ve ever received and I got it here.

+1

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 20:35
Face
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(Reply to #4791)

Blakey wrote:
emor wrote:
Slamming my saddle all the way back, every time, is the #1 riding comfort advice I’ve ever received and I got it here. It solved every fit problem I knew I had and a couple I didn’t.

Timely, I just saw this:

Whoa, a double door splitt window bus!

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 20:56
ThurberMingus
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I’m pretty sure that bike keeps people in the friend-zonie .

Ayyyyeeee!

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 21:41
kmcdon
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(Reply to #4793)

Blakey wrote:
emor wrote:
Slamming my saddle all the way back, every time, is the #1 riding comfort advice I’ve ever received and I got it here. It solved every fit problem I knew I had and a couple I didn’t.

Timely, I just saw this:

"bikes that exist but you wish didn't"

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 00:47
lofarkas
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(Reply to #4794)

Rusty Piton wrote:
lofarkas wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
Does my neck start to hurt after ~10 miles because of not enough setback? All my bikes have loads of setback!

Imo the most likely cause is too much saddle to bar drop putting a kink in yer neck. I have the same issue. Didn't happen in my 20s...

I'm pretty sure I don't have too much drop lol.
In fact, the neck thing is probably why I've favored a more upright position all these years.
I'll try to me more conscious of my back being hunched or whatever.

If your neck is wonky you might need even more.

Imo increasing the reach is pretty likely to make neck problems worse if the bars are relatively low. Upper body gets lower, neck gets kinked. Obviously it depends on a bunch of variables.

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 03:38
akasnowmaaan
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(Reply to #4795)

mdilthey wrote:
I want you guys to look me in the eyes and tell me straight to my face that this:
Has noticeable deflection of vibration and shock compared to this:
Or is it just a body position thing?

Thomson posts have no deflection. That's why they're so Clydesdale proof, and the standard for every Clyde and Clyde++ build.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 05:56
Rusty Piton
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emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 11:47
shane.rrr
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What bars are those?

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 11:50
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #4798)

emor wrote:
Slamming my saddle all the way back, every time, is the #1 riding comfort advice I’ve ever received and I got it here. It solved every fit problem I knew I had and a couple I didn’t.

It can also be a great way to mess with your achilles if you are doing big rides.

More wonderful than you can believe it

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 13:33
circuithero
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Wed, 01/17/2018 - 01:58
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #4800)

circuithero wrote:

This is a good buy right?

You bet!!!

Wed, 01/17/2018 - 21:31

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