Luxos U Warranty Chat

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Luxos U Warranty Chat
Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:05
surfcat
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Busch & Muller IQ Cyo, up to 60 lux. Best headlight I've used to date, irrespective of power source.

I run mine with a Shimano DH-3N72 dynamo hub. I also own a DH-3D71 and will soon own a DH-3N80. All of these are great, have little perceptible drag (I have never been able to convince myself I'm actually feeling any drag at all), and are reasonably priced as far as dynamo hubs go.

You can couple the above with a dynamo-powered taillight, like the Busch & Muller Toplight 4D or similar. Suggest getting one with a standlight function, which keeps the light on for a minute or two after you stop (nice at stoplights for example).

Once you go dynamo you don't go back smiley

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the gearing is perfect for quick execration

Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:37
wickedwagon
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how easy are dynamo lights to switch from bike to bike? main reason i want dynamo is to do long night rides without having to worry about running out of light

jordanpattern wrote:
BRING ME THE BINDERS OF WOMEN!

Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:12
surfcat
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I would say it's not too easy to change a dynamo hub & light setup from one bike to another. With some thought you could make it easier, but the lights are designed to bolt on (usually to a fork crown or similar) and you need to make sure the wiring is secured so it doesn't get caught on stuff. I'd say it'd probably be at least a 20-30 minute job, which is maybe fine for some but for me, I just want to ride.

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the gearing is perfect for quick execration

Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:47
bigmatt

surfimp wrote:
Once you go dynamo you don't go back smiley

+1 I have two dynamo front hubs (both DH3-N71 shimano) and love them.

Bear-O-Dactyl wrote:
how easy are dynamo lights to switch from bike to bike? main reason i want dynamo is to do long night rides without having to worry about running out of light

You could use a light mount like this one from VO. Nitto and IRD both make a mount that takes the place of a Q/R skewer nut to mount a light as well. There are also the Paul's Gino to mount to a rack eyelet or low rider boss.

Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:41
kembear
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I wish I had a hundred bucks for a dynamo hub. I spend plenty of money on bike stuff, I guess I should just allocate some and do it.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:24
mad scientist
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I'm looking into building a dynamo front for my crossmuter in the dark dark SLC winter. Thanks for the info on the relatively cheap Shimano hubs, was on the fence about them. Has anyone played with the more expensive (200-300) hubs? I'm wondering if there is some great difference or not...

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 16:28
mander
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I have the same combo as surfimp (Cyo/ 72) and endorse it too. The only problem I have with the cyo is that the switch can clog up with mud, but it's not a huge issue. The big prob with the 72 is that the bearings on the generator side are not user serviceable, and it's not clear whether it is even possible to find someone to service them.

I wrote a tarck review of both these things if anyone's interested, though it doesn't have too much more than what's already been said in this thread.

http://www.tarckbike.com/node/12416

Kemmer there are a bunch of cheaper generator hubs out there for town or utility bikes, and you could even just use a bottle dynamo.

Tue, 12/01/2009 - 04:31
kembear
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mander wrote:

Kemmer there are a bunch of cheaper generator hubs out there for town or utility bikes, and you could even just use a bottle dynamo.

Can't use a bottle dynamo here coz snow, but I was searching out some cheaper options after reading this thread and the Sturmey Archer X-FDD looks pretty good.

Tue, 12/01/2009 - 04:12
kevinwulf
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Righty-o, I've decided to bite the bullet and get a SONdelux (20R). Doing a mini group buy from Starbike for the cheap freight.

What light should I get? Blazed Elf, I'm looking at you.

Is it worth getting a dynamo-run tail-light? Or just stick with the Planet Bike Superflash?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 03:48
JUGE FREDD
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Best all around headlight choice is the B&M Cyo. I prefer the kind "without reflector", they let out more light at a distance (fukka "near field illumination").

DGAF about the 'senso' feature since I've always had a bag shading the light. Doesn't really matter anyway since the only time I turn it off is locking it up on the street, cause people are always "your light is on" while the standlight runs down.

The plastic housing is not super durable, I smashed mine once and had to epoxy the mounting boss back on.

I bought an edelux for my next generatored bike, same awesome reflector but in an aluminum housing with a glass lens. It might spec a brighter LED too. Problem is it costs twice as much, and isn't fully twice as good. Main reason I got it is just durability for long backcountry touring, but it probably would have been better to just get a Cyo.

You're gonna have to bargain with yourself for a while about wired taillights and how you're gonna run it. They're definitely something you can make yourself and be proud of. B&M does have a few great ones that would be harder to homebuild:

Fender mount: http://www.starbike.com/php/product_info.php?lang=en&pid=3751
Rack mount: http://www.starbike.com/php/product_info.php?lang=en&pid=12412

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 04:55
anomaly

I've had two Cyos fail with less than 100 hours of use, the eDeluxe is worth the extra money.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:25
anomaly

In regards to a tail light, I have a Secure-Lite that I used twice that I'll sell you for cheap.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:26
Patch
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eDeluxe is just such a quality item. Rear light: I'm a little partial to the schmidt E3

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:34
Eric Estlund

Blinglespeed (with light)

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:37
anomaly

Ohlala.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 14:52
JUGE FREDD
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Patch wrote:
Rear light: I'm a little partial to the supernova E3

It runs on DC current only, so you'll need hax to use it with any headlight other than the matching supernova.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:11
Altoid
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DQ: Does a dynamo hub making changing a front flat a pain in the ass? Is hooking the wiring in a big deal, or is it more like hooking in speaker wire?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:28
bexley
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Did not need this thread to be refreshed before building tzurims.

I'm going to have to wait on this decision since I'm already biting a few bullets right now. But were I to bite this one it would have to be eDelux & SONdelux. And then one day some home made taillight. I draw my bike bling line well before the E3.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:31
JUGE FREDD
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Altoid wrote:
DQ: Does a dynamo hub making changing a front flat a pain in the ass? Is hooking the wiring in a big deal, or is it more like hooking in speaker wire?

Even easier than that, more like a lego wire

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:47
do
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are there any rear lights (rack mounted preferably) that are as decent as, say, a superflash? decent meaning bright/noticeable to drivers in an urban setting w/ plenty of ambient light at night. a dyno-powered rear light would be nice, but not if they're weaker than my superflash...

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:06
JUGE FREDD
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A seculite is about the same brightness as a superflash on steady.

None of the fancy kraut lights are going to blink, if you want a seizure mode you're gonna have to DIY.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:29
loch_raven
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Has anyone used or owned both the shimano and schmidt hubs?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 19:12
kevinwulf
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Thanks for the tips, folks!

Mr. Bear wrote:
I've had two Cyos fail with less than 100 hours of use, the eDeluxe is worth the extra money.

I know that isn't everyone's experience but I still wasn't wanting to hear this. Was definitely planning on the cheaper Cyo; maybe I'll give it a little more thought.

By the way, what are the mounting options with both the Cyo and the Edelux? I can't work out where exactly where/how you mount them from the pics? Well, it looks like the Cyo could get mounted on the front brake bolt but what about if you have a bag? And can either/both of these lights be mounted upside down? I'm sure I heard somewhere that you can't?

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 03:00
JUGE FREDD
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Mounting one upside down would defeat the entire purpose of importing a fancy kraut light smiley

Can you prove you're not the antipodean sol and figure out why all by yourself?

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 05:02
JUGE FREDD
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As for how you mount them properly, they both have exactly the same kind of mount point, a sideways 6mm hole at the rear base:

The default option is to use a piece of thick looped wire that forms a 6mm hole facing the bike (as shown on the Cyo above) which gets bolted to the brake hole in the fork crown. The lights all come with the one shown above, but there are a bunch of other designs also sold by starbike.

If you have a handlebar bag rack, you mount it to that with some simple flat stock / bolts / spacers.

I have a Cyo mounted to a forward fender strut, using a flatter mounting bracket meant for using behind a brake caliper:

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 05:11
euflavine
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kevinwulf wrote:
By the way, what are the mounting options with both the Cyo and the Edelux?

Most dyno lights mount in the same manner. Lots of options: http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/light-mounts.asp

Even more if you have a rack and or fenders. Use some creativity.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:19
kevinwulf
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Buffalo Bill wrote:
Mounting one upside down would defeat the entire purpose of importing a fancy kraut light smiley

Can you prove you're not the antipodean sol and figure out why all by yourself?

Oh shi... Cos optics designed for upright mounting so I'd have to open it up and rotate the internals.

Phew *wipes sweat from brow*

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 18:14
JUGE FREDD
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You pass, but missed out on extra credit -- the internals are not rotateable, you'd have to build a whole new housing and somehow align the reflector properly. The Cyo is vented on the bottom and would flood upside down. Neither can be dismantled without destroying the housing.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 19:11
Toast
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loch_raven wrote:
Has anyone used or owned both the shimano and schmidt hubs?

i got several hours of night riding in last week's 300k... paired up with a guy riding a SON wheel, i was on my shimano one. we both had the Cyo lights, his with the narrow beam and mine with the wider one.

pretty rough comparison, but the light output looked comparable. both bikes rolled straight. he shared his trail mix with me.

nevertheless... atmo if you're going custom build, just buy a SON. the shimano hubs can be had on some pretty great deals for prebuilt wheels, though

http://aebike.com/product/handspun-pavement-series-5-front-deore-lx-dynamo-mavica319-silver-sku-we7255-qc30.htm

(i think the same hub by itself is like 110-130ish, and somewhere else on tarck you can find the super rad euro deal on SONs)

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 20:33
Toast
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dq: i have a chance to get a sanyo H27 hub to V-O rim for $100. should i pull the trigger on that, or spend another $65 (after a price match discount) to get something like this?

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=35520

or, should i re-lace a wheel my current generator wheel -- that same hub, to a 700c A719 rim -- to a 650b rim?

saving up for a SON would be nice, but unless starbike can ship stupid-fast, it's not really an option for me right now

hmm

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 15:42
JUGE FREDD
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My last starbike order shipped same day and showed up 5 days later, the one before that took a few days to ship and showed up in 5 or 6. You can tell on their site what they have in stock and what they have to wait on + how long.

Sanyo deal sounds pretty good, you're paying $10 for spokes and wheelbuild vs. retail for hub+rim. The hub is pretty much the same quality as the Deore LX one: same weight, Sanyo might have less vibration.

VO Rim is matchier to the CR-18 rear, but the Dyad is better. Additional matchiness to consider: current CR-18 wheelset on the Tachyon has Deore LX hubs.

I would not relace your existing 700c wheel, better to use as built or sell.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 18:37
Toast
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Cool, I'll probably go with the V-O wheel, hard to beat that price.

For some reason I was thinking there was a bigger quality difference between the two hubs (Sanyo and Deore).

Hmm, I wish Starbike carried Carradice gear, so I could combine my Euro orders for super deals rather than doing an extra order from SJS.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 18:53
mr. fop
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What size bag are you looking for? I have one im planning on selling.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 19:31
Toast
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mr. trout wrote:
What size bag are you looking for? I have one im planning on selling.

something pretty stout. whatcha got?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 19:47
mr. fop
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Nelson long flap. 12 L. I ripped off the side pockets though so it works as a front bag as well as a saddlebag. I've been using toe straps to mount it that i could include.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 19:59
Toast
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Tarckmessage'd.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:06
crabon monkey

The shimano top end hubs are quite good. Low resistance, good output. In the shop I used to work at, we did have some problems with some of them developing a ratcheting sound, but Shimano replaced those hub internals under warranty.

One other problem was the general unavailability of the left hand cone. Shimano Benelux never had them and when they did they cost a whopping 15 euros!
In the end they just said 'buy new internals'. Almost as expensive as a new hub.

The other thing is the right hand cone. The one underneath the plug, which can be replaced but that is a very finicky job and if you're not careful you'll break the tiny wire after which it is exit hub. Also that cone was just as unavailable.

how to make a servicable hub unservicable. SON FTW, if you ask me.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:33
Sneaky Viking
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ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 08:13
aek
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Okay, my piece of shit Knog front light just thought it would stop for no reason.

I guess now is as good a time as any for a dynamo hub and front and rear lights. I'll look through this as soon as I've got a minute, but if I had to buy something quickly, what is the most affordable and what is the most awesome?

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 07:13
johnasavoia
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Most affordable is probably http://www.ebay.com/itm/IDC-Stout-dynohub-hub-dynamo-700c-front-wheel-36h-silver-/271936828858?hash=item3f50b2b5ba which I have and shart has (I haven't actually hooked mine up to a light yet, should probably get on that before winter)
Most awesome I definitely cannot speak to, probably ain't this though.

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 08:11
ShartAttack
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^That wheel powers the lights just fine, but awesome probably not. I'm fat so I don't notice any drag, but while powerful that hub has more drag than others when the lights are off (solution is just to run the lights all the time, safer that way anyway). Wheel itself has been rock solid. They have sexier options on their website:

http://intelligentdesigncycles.com/products

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 09:38
lukasz
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SP dynamo hubs are 99-101% of the performance of a Schmidt at 30% of the price.

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 11:08
NOVELTYNAME
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But the same is to be said about ultegra and DA

And which do you choose
Cmon

"Folks want options!"

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 11:23
lukasz
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Well aside from MAYBE build quality (although I haven't seen horror story SP dynamo posts about a completely rusted out inside or strange noises) I think the SP is actually better. Different Ultegra vs. DA is different.

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 11:36
buffoon
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(Reply to #45)

SP is way cheaper, lighter, has better connector
SON is shinier, and makes your wallet lighter

for lights, the SON version has much better build quality for sure. But it's not like that with the hubs

Lippy wrote:
a measured amount of muscle and hate when installing should keep that from happening.

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 12:13
yummygooey

SON connector is so bad :(

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 12:15
yummygooey

i'm 99% sure i'm going SP for the next set up

SON is definitely more aesthetically appealing imo

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 12:15
biek

the shimano dynohubs work well and are a great value. (especially if you can get one/a wheel on closeout)

and then an iq cyo for a front light

dunno about rear lights

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 12:22
tamaso
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I have the Shimano DH3N80, AFAIK the most 'high-end' Shimano dynohub for rim brakes (billed as 'Ultegra level'). More recently I got another wheel built with the SP PD-8 centerlock hub. I think the SP is slightly less 'buzzy', but there are so many other different variables with the wheel, tires, frame/fork that it is hard to be sure. The SP looks better. Shimano-style connector that both use is great.

IQ Cyo Premium is a great light, the new metal enclosure B&Ms look rad also. Secula rear is excellent, very visible even from the side.

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 14:10
emor
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(Reply to #50)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
But the same is to be said about ultegra and DA

And which do you choose
Cmon

the cheap but effective one.

literally always.

6,530 miles on my SP so far, no problems. Light is on 100% of miles.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Fri, 08/28/2015 - 18:21

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