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kmcdon
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(Reply to #8401)

aerobear wrote:
gravel in road shoes.

I chewed up a set of sl cleats to the point of oblivion in about 2 months because of riding gravel paths. I even use the plastic cleat covers, which constantly fall off. I'm gonna continue buying new cleats because I like the way these pedals feel compared to regular SPD, but this is annoying.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 11:29
jdsmooth
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Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 13:06
kmcdon
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yeah, I know.

I am also extremely stubborn.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 13:14
jamesacklin
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I dunno, after owning the EC90-soled lace-up Giros (I honestly forget the model name, don't @ me) for like 4 years and being fairly underwhelmed, I finally got a set of XT pedals and they feel like completely different shoes (in a good way).

Blundstones and VPs for touring, though. Bless up.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 13:25
kmcdon
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I've been wanting something like this with pins, but I really don't like the look of that reflector.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 14:07
jamesacklin
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Have had my eyes on those for a while too :)

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 14:37
jdsmooth
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^ i have those. reflectors come off easy. great pedals.

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 14:54
ShartAttack
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Those pedals are great. I've got about 1500 miles on them and the grip on my sneakers is fantastic, but it's still nice to have the option to put on some SPD shoes for wet weather or longer rides. And don't hate on pedal reflectors - if you ride at night a lot, they are one of the best things you can do for visibility on your bike.

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Fri, 10/06/2017 - 11:22
NOVELTYNAME
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I think I found the shimano dx pedals on deal and I ride with and without shoes. They’re definitely better with the cleats.

"Folks want options!"

Sat, 10/07/2017 - 00:12
Shortpants
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(Reply to #8410)

Endpoint wrote:
Larry Winget wrote:
I've been commuting on a bike with SPD pedals in regular shoes for months.

You monster.

seriously. Everyone knows the pro move is sneakers on look pedals.

Sat, 10/07/2017 - 15:56
deadforkinglast
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If I leave the house on a bike with clipless pedals, I'm clipping in. Riding sneakers on clipless sucks, atmo.

My commuter bike has flat pedals. My "road" bike had flat pedals for a while, too, when I was occasionally commuting on it, before I gave up on riding nice tires downtown.

I really hate that feeling like my foot is wrapping around a clipless pedal and might slide off at any time.

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 13:29
aerobear
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doesn't really happen to me on road pedals. i only do that on spd-sls and i'm just not going that hard on my commute. if there was any actual hill, it'd be different.
i leave road shoes at work also so tht i can ride on lunch without hauling shoes back and forth (fitting kit, shoes, lunch, etc in a backpack starts to get tedious).

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 16:54
mdilthey
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Crank bros makes a pair of hybrid SPD/flat pedals and I don't recommend them. Shimano ones only last about 30,000 miles of winter commuting, so if you ride more than that, you're out of luck

26/M/41t N/W

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 18:12
ICU81MI
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(Reply to #8414)

aerobear wrote:
doesn't really happen to me on road pedals. i only do that on spd-sls and i'm just not going that hard on my commute. if there was any actual hill, it'd be different.
i leave road shoes at work also so tht i can ride on lunch without hauling shoes back and forth (fitting kit, shoes, lunch, etc in a backpack starts to get tedious).

Why not leave work shoes at work and ride in your road shoes?

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 20:16
joy of vaping
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For me, a bike with any saddle to bar drop feels weird to ride without being clipped in. I'm not sure what it is.

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 20:24
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Wait, no one here rides Crank Bros, right?!

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Sat, 10/14/2017 - 21:44
eric_ssucks
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I have some crank bros pedals mostly because I am too lazy to change my cleats and they work adequately for commuting. The bushings are shot and the shoes are worn out, so not for long.

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 22:14
aerobear
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(Reply to #8418)

ICU81MI wrote:
aerobear wrote:
doesn't really happen to me on road pedals. i only do that on spd-sls and i'm just not going that hard on my commute. if there was any actual hill, it'd be different.
i leave road shoes at work also so tht i can ride on lunch without hauling shoes back and forth (fitting kit, shoes, lunch, etc in a backpack starts to get tedious).

Why not leave work shoes at work and ride in your road shoes?

1) I barely have any shoes, i am not leaving a good pair at work.
2) then i have to walk around in road shoes and my driveway is gravel (garage is not attached)
3) seriously. it's not worth changing my shoes. my ride to work is 2.8 miles and i only ride my road bike if i am doing a lunch ride. it's a waste of time to change in and out of road shoes for a 10-12 minute ride.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 22:54
Endpoint
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You're weird. Or maybe I'm weird.

I can't stomach riding more than a mile on flats.

Also speedplay syzr + xc shoes for roadie and rando stuff and terraduro for everything else has eliminated clickly clacking around forever and ever.

I know I just suggested spending a bunch of $$$ to fix a problem you don't really have but whatever.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 08:18
mdilthey
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Remember that picture of me mountain biking in pink loafers?

I don't know what's wrong with me but I never take those off. I just went hiking in them. They're so ugly and I probably look really weird but every time I leave the house, I slip them on.

The bottom of the soles are chewed up from the pins in my flat pedals now.

26/M/41t N/W

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 10:44
mdilthey
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My Mavic XC shoes used to prevent click-clack, but I've done so many bike tours in them that I wore the soles down to the point that they click-clack. :(

26/M/41t N/W

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 10:46
deadforkinglast
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Yeah I finally replaced my shitty low-end Sidis from 10 years ago with some Giro Code VR70s that were on super sale (sale + alumni discount at the shop I used to work at). Holy shit they are better. The sole is way stiffer and the actual rubber lugs and tread (instead of the hard plastic soccer cleats on the sidis) mean that if I need to unclip I can actually put my foot down wherever and have some reasonable expectation of traction.

I might even try clipless on the mountain bike again, though I'll probably go back to flats like always.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 12:33
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Everyone's shoes are so good, and SIDI is stuck in 2006. I don't know why anyone would buy them.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 12:38
iwillbe
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(Reply to #8424)

Wintage Townie wrote:
Everyone's shoes are so good, and SIDI is stuck in 2006. I don't know why anyone would buy them.

I have immense brand attachment to SiDi, but when I can get a pair of Giro Trans HV off of Amazon for like $70, I don't see myself going back to a $300 shoe that pinches my pinkie toes and comes with an insole made out of burlap.
It's kinda weird. when I got into road bikes, Italian everything was 100% the best in category. Now, the only Italian brands on my radar are a couple of apparel makers who do good weatherproof pieces (Gabba, G Shield). Everything else in my bike consumer world is Shimano, random US custom framebuilders, or cheap gray market small pieces off of ebay or amazon.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 12:53
deadforkinglast
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I feel like that's just us becoming more knowledgeable consumers though. I still know people who have a hardon for every Italian component manufacturer, especially in the road world.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 13:06
schultzor
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Sidi’s shitty stuck-in-2000 advertising was the final nail for me.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 13:42
iwillbe
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(Reply to #8427)

deadforkinglast wrote:
I feel like that's just us becoming more knowledgeable consumers though. I still know people who have a hardon for every Italian component manufacturer, especially in the road world.

Partly, for sure. The US custom frame market back around 2000 was pretty slim pickings, too. And there weren't as many quality US-based apparel ventures.
And, of course, that was when China was just starting to really cement itself as the default manufacturer for everything but microprocessors and jet engines. Italian stuff was still being made in Italy, which maintained the fiction that a Mr. Castelli was in his workshop, hand-stitching your shorts.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 14:03
jeffro
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(Reply to #8428)

deadforkinglast wrote:
Yeah I finally replaced my shitty low-end Sidis from 10 years ago with some Giro Code VR70s that were on super sale (sale + alumni discount at the shop I used to work at). Holy shit they are better. The sole is way stiffer and the actual rubber lugs and tread (instead of the hard plastic soccer cleats on the sidis) mean that if I need to unclip I can actually put my foot down wherever and have some reasonable expectation of traction.

I might even try clipless on the mountain bike again, though I'll probably go back to flats like always.

I got the same shoes on super sale and love them. The three different arch supports are a nice bonus.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 19:32
deadforkinglast
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Yeah, that was nice and unexpected, though, somewhat disappointingly, I think I'm best with the middle (stock) configuration, but it's still nice to have had the option.

I do wish the cleat could be mounted a little bit further back, but that's true of just about every shoe ever.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 23:59
aerobear
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(Reply to #8430)

Endpoint wrote:
You're weird. Or maybe I'm weird.

I can't stomach riding more than a mile on flats.

I used to clip in for everything, now I do 20-30 mile mtb rides on flats. Being attached to the pedals no longer seems relevant unless i'm doing a difficult road ride or training/racing at the track. I can pedal hard on flats and ride super technical terrain on flats. I can commute in any pair of shoes I want and not clip clop around in plastic shoes across the gravel at home and up all the stairs at work. Some of y'all just haven't experienced the liberation that is riding on flats..

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 16:20
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #8431)

aerobear wrote:
Endpoint wrote:
You're weird. Or maybe I'm weird.

I can't stomach riding more than a mile on flats.

I used to clip in for everything, now I do 20-30 mile mtb rides on flats. Being attached to the pedals no longer seems relevant unless i'm doing a difficult road ride or training/racing at the track. I can pedal hard on flats and ride super technical terrain on flats. I can commute in any pair of shoes I want and not clip clop around in plastic shoes across the gravel at home and up all the stairs at work. Some of y'all just haven't experienced the liberation that is riding on flats..

What she said.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 16:27
shane.rrr
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(Reply to #8432)

deadforkinglast wrote:
aerobear wrote:
Endpoint wrote:
You're weird. Or maybe I'm weird.

I can't stomach riding more than a mile on flats.

I used to clip in for everything, now I do 20-30 mile mtb rides on flats. Being attached to the pedals no longer seems relevant unless i'm doing a difficult road ride or training/racing at the track. I can pedal hard on flats and ride super technical terrain on flats. I can commute in any pair of shoes I want and not clip clop around in plastic shoes across the gravel at home and up all the stairs at work. Some of y'all just haven't experienced the liberation that is riding on flats..

What she said.

Flats has been this weird thing for me, I rode SPDs and Crank Bros for a long time but back on flats now. While I don't FEEL as serious or fast? Flats are so convenient and I don't slip around at all with five ten shoes and decent pedals with pins I am not sure I will go back. I just did a big 100 mile gravel/mtb race with flats on my grando versus mtb and clipless pedals. Got some weird looks but fuck it I finished fine. Plus its nice to be able to dab your foot down if you start to go down too.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 16:55
ShartAttack
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I have half-SPD/half-flat pedals (the XT ones) on my commuter bike and I keep thinking about going full-time flat. Main thing stopping me is I do like to ride the SPDs if it's raining but I guess I mostly just ride the platform side now. 20-30 mile rides on platforms would probably be too much for me though, I find after about 10 miles on platforms that my sneakers start to feel a little too soft.

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 17:04
johnasavoia
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Feet belts 4 ever

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 18:49
aerobear
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(Reply to #8435)

ShartAttack wrote:
I have half-SPD/half-flat pedals (the XT ones) on my commuter bike and I keep thinking about going full-time flat. Main thing stopping me is I do like to ride the SPDs if it's raining but I guess I mostly just ride the platform side now. 20-30 mile rides on platforms would probably be too much for me though, I find after about 10 miles on platforms that my sneakers start to feel a little too soft.

yeah, wear a decent shoe that isnt too squishy. it doesnt need to be stiff though. my first few rides in my 510s, one foot was going numb, but i think once igot used to it, it stopped happening and became pretty normal.

by contrast, i randomly did a road ride in running shoes on flats for the hell of it and the running shoes def didnt give me all of it. just not meant for it.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 22:58
Tail Hook Lengthener
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TC: I basically believe everything Grant Petersen writes about clipless. It's ideal for racing and race-like riding, and useless for everything else. I use clipless on the bike I ride fast (at this point, just my Elephant), and everything else gets flats.

It bums me out to put clipless on some woman's sporty hybrid because her friends or husband lied to her about how much more efficient she would be.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 23:07
Endpoint
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It's not just efficiency though right? If you're a weekend warrior and you want to find the quickest path to feet that don't hurt you buy $150 "cycling" shoes and some $50 pedals. Pair it with some proper socks and get happy feet.

Time/miles not speed is the tipping point the way I see it. Comfort bikes and rubber flats at one end of the spectrum, sunny day hybrids and basket commuters in the middle. May as well clip in on anything else if you're riding more than 5 miles (in terms of pavement/groad anyway).

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 23:17
aerobear
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Eh, your feet aren't naturally meant to be locked down like that. Grant has it right in that regard. You build up some time in the pedals and you can ride flats all day with no issues. For me, it causes a lot less knee/hip stress since I can move my hips around. It's probably marginally harder to pump out the watts, but it's definitely more sustainable over long a duration. Like I said, I went from commuting to gradually working my way up to 3-4 hr mtb rides and once I got over a few initial cases of foot numbness, any discomfort is gone. My knees and hips now feel super weird going back to clipless pedals. It feels absolutely wrong.

I know clip in shoes are deeply embedded into our culture, but i'm becoming more and more doubtful of their benefit in many situations. The pull-up par of the pedal stroke is virtually ineffective at high power outputs. It really only happens at high cadence, low torque. At best, you minimize negative torque (which you can still do on flats).

Like I said, by no means do I think people should switch away from clips if they're happy with it.. but a lot of the "benefits" of clipless pedals we've been fed are only halfway true, if true at all. I'm actually pretty sure supporting muscles for my feet and ankles have become pretty severely weakened by years of riding clipless and not doing any other major exercise (aside from some lifting/core stuff in the gym).

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 23:26
Endpoint
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I don't disagree on most of that. I was mainly responding to Josh's hybrid lady example. That rider type may or may not invest the time (or thought) into unlocking flat pedal lyfe. Stock flats on hybrids and the "athletic" shoes that rider already has are absolutely the wrong tool for the job if the job is more than riding to the coffee shop. High quality flats and and a pair of fivetens or something similar are the flip side of the spd coin. Both cycling specific and neither having much in common with what you average pleasure rider is sporting.

Also... to be clear, I'm not talking about trail riding at all. That's a completely different animal.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 23:39
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Fair enough, stock pedals are garbage, and so is anything involving a toe clip.

But I stand by my assertion that the vast majority of riders would be better off riding a high quality flat pedal.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 23:45
Endpoint
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Toe clips are indeed satan's work.

I'm actually moving to drop "road" shoes from the shop altogether and filling that spot with some offerings from FiveTen so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit... also as a retailer if the end goal is to get a 20 mile rider happy with as little fuss as possible some cheap Giros and PD-M20s are going to be just fine and far a easier sale than trying to tell them why their expert friend is wrong and the should spend MORE money on shoes and pedals that kindof look like what they already have.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 23:47
aerobear
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(Reply to #8442)

Wintage Townie wrote:
Fair enough, stock pedals are garbage, and so is anything involving a toe clip.

But I stand by my assertion that the vast majority of riders would be better off riding a high quality flat pedal.

Toe clips are the worst. Why did we all ride those on our sw8 fixies?

The old style pedals with a square cage that dips in the middle are also terrible. Nice plastic flat with pins for grip is ideal and a flat soled shoe, not a cushy running shoe.

Though.. unrelated.. just remembered i saw a woman riding an indoor bike at the gym is some faux-fur lined moccasin style shoes that looked like slippers and definitely had a solid wtf? moment..

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 23:55
drwelby
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There's a guy up here that rides in hand-sewn moccasins, using that MKS rat-trap retro pedal and metal toe clips.

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 00:03
deadforkinglast
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She's clearly an Eliot Jackson fan.

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 00:07
ckd
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No exaggeration: Selling all of my clipless pedals and buying a buncha cheap plastic platforms was the best cycling decision I’ve made in the past 5 years. I now ride whatever bike I feel like riding, whenever I feel like riding it. I do a lot more spontaneous little trips to the store now because I don’t have to change shoes and junk. Also my beat-up knee hurts a lot less on longer rides when I’m free to let my foot wander around the pedal.

I’m totally willing to admit that this is just my experience though, and i have essentially zero interest in being the super fast bike guy.

-is a sandwich
-is a REAL doctor

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 00:11
ckd
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I don’t even wear FiveTens. I wear $30 Vans Slipon Pros with some cheap stiff insoles.

-is a sandwich
-is a REAL doctor

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 00:13
aerobear
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(Reply to #8447)

ckd wrote:
I don’t even wear FiveTens. I wear $30 Vans Slipon Pros with some cheap stiff insoles.

vans + insoles is basically the same price as five tens on sale, FWIW.
(i.e. these jawns which are down to only the small sizes at this point http://www.fiveten.com/us/closeouts/bike/freerider-canvas-midnight-indigo)

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 00:23
aerobear
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p.s. derek get these ones

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 00:25
deadforkinglast
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I still like clipping in on my road bike and my Endpoint will for sure have clipless pedals. I feel faster clipping in in certain circumstances, especially when I'm tired and pedaling sloppy, but there's something I really love about that feeling of pedaling perfectly on flat pedals.

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 00:26
ckd
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^ Probably true, but I bought the insoles with my work’s yearly boot buy money, so I didn’t have to pay for them.

-is a sandwich
-is a REAL doctor

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 00:26

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